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I was wondering why the rear of the stock was so heavy.  Took the butt plate off and found lead balls packed with powder so they didn't rattle.   Must me two ounces out now and I'm still digging.



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Storing hand loading supplies in the stock.  Clever Belgian bastards... :;):


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Found a name and address from  Pennsylvania under the buttplate of a Winchester mod 12 dated 1939 from  Pennsylvania. A friend found a '20s hunting license in another mod 12 stock. I always look when I get an older gun.
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You might want to check how that gun balances after you remove all the lead.  Could've been there for that reason.

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Yeah, Larry I have the gun apart now sweating some oil out of the head.  I didn't check balance before pulling it apart, so I am not going to pull any more lead out until I get it back together.

I was surprised, the balls pictured weighs 4 1/3 oz.  It's a 16 and weighed 6 lb 11 oz before pulling the lead out.


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If you need to add weight when it is done,you can easily find a better, more modern method than what was done to it at some point.
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Curious...what makes you think the lead you leave behind will stay in place now that the entire cavity is no longer packed tight...or are you planning on backing filling the space with filler? I suspect this will also affect felt recoil given the weight removed...what was the rationale for removing the weight..gun too butt heavy / didn't like the MOI feel of the gun or just couldn't resist to see what you'd find  :p  :laugh:

Interesting to hear these stories of hidden caches...and keep in mind the questions come from one with little expertise so I am truly interested in your thought process here and pros/cons of the impact of your journey.


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The gun weighs now 6 lb 7 oz which is a good weight for a 16.  I plan to shoot 1150 fps 6000 psi 7/8 oz loads in it; so I could go down close to 6 lb in my mind.  The gun is about 100 years old so I won't be shooting much trap with it.  It will be used mostly for hunting.

I can always move the weight forward or back in the hole to achieve balance.  Plus, there will be about a 3 oz leather slip on pad when in use.

Yes, I do have some insulation type material in the hole for now.


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It's kind of neat what you can find under some of these old butt-plates. I had a recoil pad added to an old Sterlingworth. It's a 1914 gun. The gunsmith found a paper with a name and telephone number on it. He put it back under the pad. He didn't think about writing down the info for me. One of these days I will pull the pad and take a look myself.

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I was gifted a 1939 (+/-) Superposed that was owned by a prominent conservationist who did a lot to help preserve and restore Catskill streams.

I put a note about the gun's provenance, including a brief bio of the original owner, in a ziplok bag and put it in the stock under the buttplate. So whoever gets the gun after me will know from where it came.

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Years ago when my dad's hunting days were nearing an end, he gave me his Rem. M-10.  His father was the original owner of that gun.  Under the buttplate I found my grandfather's 1918 Minnesota small game license, rolled up in the throughbolt cavity, signed and dated several days before my dad was born.  When my dad died suddenly a couple weeks after our last pheasant hunt together, I put his last hunting license in my album of hunt photos and journal notes, along with that old license of my grandfather's.

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The father of one of my high school buddies (way back in the 60's) had immigrated from Germany some decades earlier and  bought a hunting license his first year stateside.  He put it in the buttstock of his old 12 single that year.... and never bought another one.  Whenever checked, he would start pointing to the stock and talking in German, then start "trying" to remove the screws with his pocket knife.  Then "break" the tip off his knife, which was already broken of course,  then start cussing loudly in German and procede to get more and more agitated til the CO called the whole deal off.  My buddy claimed that sometimes his dad would even try to borrow the officer's pocket knife, but I was never quite sure about that one.

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In 1986, I bought an A.H. Fox AE grade 12 ga. from John Allen when he was with Paul Jaeger/Dunn's in Grand junction TN. I pulled the buttplate off and found this handwritten note underneath:

"William Schuettemeyer. 424 West 12th. St, Covington, KY.
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Thursday October 26th 1916, 4:30 PM."

He had drawn a little arrow pointing down to the word "bought".

Still have the note, but the gun is long gone.
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