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quaily 
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,1:48 |
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“Roster, who said the idea is to give the hunter simple tips and tactics to improve their success in the field, came up with a technique he calls “subtending,” which allows hunters to accurately estimate the range of birds.
Subtending involves learning the size of the bird you are hunting relative to the size of the muzzle of your shotgun. When pointing your gun to shoot a bird, you can quickly determine whether a bird is in range, or not, by knowing how much of the bird is covered by the image of the muzzle at given distances.”
Decoys of ducks and geese in the flying position are placed at various distances from the shooter for practice.
Does anyone do this on a regular basis? Once does not seem to be enough.
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Ted Moore
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,1:55 |
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I am far too busy trying to sex the birds on the wing and determine if they are or aren't carrying babies, to subtend.
W/C C
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redrockin7
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,1:58 |
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Too much thinking for me... I find it hard enough not to 'aim', let alone try to think about how big a bird is in relation to my muzzle...
I try to see the bird with my eyes and drop it. Usually when I do this, I can drop it. When I overthink it - and that is exactly what this sounds like - I miss.
I'm sure once it becomes 'second nature', there isn't much thinking to it, but not something I plan to practice. I have a pretty good idea if a bird is in range, borderline in range, or clearly out of range. Someties I shoot at the borderline in range birds, other times I let them fly and try to see where they land for a follow-up. Hell, I've occassionally shot at an out of range bird... pray and spray, ya know.
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quaily
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,2:11 |
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I agree with you. I will not look away from the bird to look at the muzzle. However, I keep a decoy forty yards from my porch. It has helped me judge distance more quickly.
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RUFUS80
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,2:27 |
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The key to good shooting is to NOT look at the muzzle. IMO time you look at the muzzle and gauge the distance then decide to shoot the target will be out farther and looking at the muzzle will probably miss, which is never a good thing. Just my 2cents.
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Rex Hoppie
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,3:17 |
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I have subtended to estimate the height of a tree but never overtly to determine range of a target.
When we estimate range of an object we are more or less subtending without being aware. We are comparing the size of the object with the size of it's surroundings and our brain makes a judgement, accurate or not, for us.
I have not thought about this before but off hand I am thinking subtending without being aware is likely better than subtending while being aware. Just do it, don't think about it.
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Curt
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,3:26 |
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I would love to subtend but I find myself averting my eyes from the muzzle to avoid seeing the bead. I've learned that all good shotgunners never see the bead when shooting.
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PartridgeCartridge
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,3:46 |
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It would seem to me that there are better ways to get visual distance clues on an object flying rather than taking your eyes off the bird.
Things like eyestripes, wing markings, curled/splayed feet etc...
JMO
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quaily
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,5:51 |
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Using features such as eye stripes, wing markings, etc to judge distance can also be done before the hunt with decoys and mounted upland birds.
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browndog
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,7:05 |
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I mostly pretend ...
whenI shoot and it flys off I pretend it was out of range.
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jmooney
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,7:26 |
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Definition of subtend from Urban Dictionary:
subtend - A subtend is a pimp, while the 'tend' are his harem
Tend didn't pay up, so subtend had to smack a b***h
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PartridgeCartridge
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,7:40 |
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Holy Shiit! Did you just grabass Mooney? Cross over to the right side?
Miracles will never cease.
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PartridgeCartridge
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,8:04 |
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Have you ever searched for "Mooney"?
Some interesting definitions there.
Look up Mooney Sandwich too for the next time you make references to man sandwiches.
PS- Will you be joining us for the Lehigh UJ shoot?
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