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bamboozler 
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Does Wieland shoot anything other than 12-gauge guns?
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Cedar Swamp
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,9:12 |
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Like Scott, I use the Remington STS for grouse and woodcock. All I stock for my 20 gauge is their STS20SC8 load.
I have a question about those 2.5" B&P High Pheasant loads. They seem like just the ticket for the preserve pheas I shoot here in w. NY. But my only 12 gauge is a BUL. Has anyone tried the High Pheasant load in a BUL or any other autoloader? Did it cycle reliably? Thanks.
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Irish Joe
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I've taken a liking to the AA 20 ga. 1 oz (7.5) load. It seems to work well at the pattern board and grouse board alike.
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Talon1
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Sounds like he might be suffering from the ill effects of being a gear junkie. I am sure that each shell is designated for a specific gun and of course he has a vest for each shell so he doesn't accidentally get them mixed up.
I completey sympathize since I am one myself.
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Steelheadfred
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Posted on: Feb. 26 2012,12:39 |
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Hard to beat the Winchester AA sporting clays loads, very similiar to the STS loads Grush is doing it wrong with 
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Rex Hoppie
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Posted on: Feb. 26 2012,2:27 |
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The thing I noticed about Terry W's choices in factory loads, is that none of them agree with any of mine.
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Bob Frankenfield
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(drummer's stump @ Feb. 24 2012,12:14)
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(Irish Joe @ Feb. 24 2012,11:51)
QUOTE I've taken a liking to the AA 20 ga. 1 oz (7.5) load. It seems to work well at the pattern board and grouse board alike. I would like to try those 7's that Bob gave you
Bob will give you a box but it will require GPS coords.
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Jim McCann
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Posted on: Feb. 26 2012,3:16 |
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One ounce of relatievely hard 7 1/2s and be there...IMHO.
Having said that, I prefer to use KENT Ultimate Upland shells.
What else can I say? I'm a simple man.
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Larry Brown
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(Hub @ Feb. 24 2012,9:52)
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(Larry Brown Feb. 23 2012 @ 9:31)
QUOTE I've found it interesting that digging back through the writings of now-departed outdoor scribes, Hill, McIntosh and Brister all heaped praise on the 3 1/4 DE, 1 1/4oz load for pheasants. That's a 1220 fps load. Makes you wonder why ammo makers today think we need pheasant loads at 14-1500 fps. Personally I think the gun writers are more apt to be shooting a light double. Out of a light double the standard pigeon load is probably on the upper end of what you can shoot comfortably with any amount of regularity. Ammo companies aren't catering to the double gun crowd. They are catering to the automatic/pump action crowd that shoot heavier guns that absorb recoil better. My o/u kicks harder with a pigeon load than my auto does with the 1440 fps whopper. If there wasn't recoil difference between the two I'd take the extra 240 fps every time because after shooting hundreds of pheasants with each I think the higher velocity round are more devastating.
I'd agree that McIntosh and Hill were fans of light doubles, but Brister didn't lean in that direction to the same degree. One reason Brister praises that particular load is because it patterns extremely well. I've patterned it in comparison to the 1330 fps load (3 3/4 DE) and to the 1500 fps Federal load. You get a slightly better pattern % vs the 1330, but a good bit better vs the 1500. Personally, having fooled around with the numbers, I'd think the advantage of the 1500 fps load would come in less forward allowance required on relatively long shots--although even a crossing rooster going full bore at 40 yards doesn't move all that much farther based on the time interval between the two. Not likely far enough to turn a miss into a kill, but probably far enough to turn a butt-end hit into a centered bird.
Although I don't often use loads even as heavy as 3 1/4 - 1 1/4, the longest run I've ever made on wild pheasants (23 in a row, with a couple requiring a 2nd barrel) came using that load. Mostly, Brit 1 1/16 oz loads work just fine--although I will back them up with a L barrel reload, 1 1/8 oz, that does about 1250 fps--and will kill pheasants reliably as far away as I care to shoot them.
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