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Laminarman 
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Posted on: Feb. 23 2012,10:14 |
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I like Terry Wieland. In the latest issue of Grays he picks his favorite factory shotshell loads. It's a good short read. Here's a brief primer:
B&P High Pheasant 2 1/2": May be the best balanced game load available anywhere. 7 shot, 1 oz. 2 5/8 drams. If I were limited to one load for everything, in every gun, this would be it.
B&P Star Rosa: 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz 3 1/4 drams, 7 1/2 shot. A pigeon load. Hard hitting and would use them only on pheasants."
Federal Gold Medal Premium Extra-Lite: Code# T172 7.5. Paper hulled trap load. 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 shot. My candidate for ideal ruffed grouse load. Gentle as a dove yet enough velocity for any grouse hunter. They smell wonderful in the autumn woods."
Gamebore Classic Black Powder: ..the creme for those occasions when only the best will do."
B&P Competition One: 7/8 oz. With #8 shot, it's a fantastic dove combination, and excellent for woodcock, snipe and similar birds. The recoil is light, the patterns gorgeous. What more can we say?
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JustinCase
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Location: NoVA
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Posted on: Feb. 23 2012,10:50 |
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I like Terry Wieland's writings also, but was disappointed when I read the recent article in Gray's. For example, I would agree with his positive comments on the 1 1/4 oz, 3 1/4 dram load, but I would have a hard time preferring one brand name to any other respected brand. And I doubt that the B&P "compressible base wad" has any significant recoil effect.
Call me a cranky old man, but the article hit me as something that has no more insight than something like "use small shot sizes for little birds and larger shot sizes for bigger birds". (Yes, I realize I will probably suffer eternal damnation for these comments. So be it.)
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steve s
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Posted on: Feb. 23 2012,11:08 |
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+1 to both above postings.
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charlo slim
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,12:10 |
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So....now lemme get this straight. This fellow has 4 favorite smokeless powder loads within a whopping 1 pellet size difference among 'em, 3 by the same mfg? Klutz such as myself would likely get 'em mixed up.... and never kill nuthin' from using the wrong load on the wrong species. I really had no idea the situation was so complex. Sheeesh!!
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steve s
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,1:43 |
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And to think for all these years I have been shooting at woodcock and grouse with AA trap loads. Not sure how I got by. Evidently I've missed the boat. Perhaps his birds are deader than mine.
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RUFUS80
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,8:15 |
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(charlo slim @ Feb. 24 2012,8:12)
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(steve s @ Feb. 24 2012,1:43)
QUOTE And to think for all these years I have been shooting at woodcock and grouse with AA trap loads. Not sure how I got by. Evidently I've missed the boat. Perhaps his birds are deader than mine. The remarkable thing is, within the range that the game is best played (IMO), that load will do a very nice job on turkeys as well... and mallards.... and doves..... and..... But you could be correct. Maybe there is dead and then there is expert dead??
If you want to experience expert dead you need to be shooting X-pert games loads by Winchester. 
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"The gun is the essential link between the man and the kind of sport he pursues. It is not enough that it should be well adapted to one of the other. For the best success, it must be fully adapted to both" - Gough Thomas
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Cooter Brown
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,8:21 |
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Well Mr. Weiland is right about one thing: paper shells sure do smell good.
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"The worst poverty anyone can have is a poverty of mental interests." Ernest Hemingway
Blow up your TV
Throw away your paper
Go to the country
Kill you a grouse
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ScottGrush
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,8:24 |
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On any given day REM STS factory loads can be found in my grouse mobile.
Not sure I have ever dented a primer on a BP shotshell. 
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I read that somewhere on the internet.....it must be true.
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Larry Brown
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,8:27 |
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Hey guys . . . cut Wieland some slack. Outdoor writers have to have something to write about.
I've found it interesting that digging back through the writings of now-departed outdoor scribes, Hill, McIntosh and Brister all heaped praise on the 3 1/4 DE, 1 1/4oz load for pheasants. That's a 1220 fps load. Makes you wonder why ammo makers today think we need pheasant loads at 14-1500 fps.
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popplecop
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2012,8:52 |
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Not much for those of us that believe 12 gas. are waterfowl shotguns and 16s, 20s and 28s are upland shotguns. Just my opinon for what it is n't worth much. Too old to change it though.
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