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That said, some guys I know who are left eye dominant (most of us are right eye dominant) have success  using the fiber optic aftermarket sights because it helps them overcome their eye dominance issues.

It helps me, I can assess quickly if I squinted my left eye enough (right handed/left eye dominant) so right is taking over.  After that it is eyes (well 1 1/2) on bird/clay.  I shoot sporting clays with shooting glasses with a bit of transparent tape on left lens and don't need to squint.  I don't tend to wear shooting glasses in the field.
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Let me try to explain beads to you in a different way.

I’m often asked, “What should I be seeing when the gun is up and the object is in the air?”

My reply is always “You must be focused on the object and more importantly, trying to see some detail on the object.”

But, in reality, this is only half of the truth and only half of what is actually going on when you shoot at an object flying.

By consciously focusing on the object, you allow your subconscious brain to really take over and do some amazing things. And make no mistake; your subconscious brain is acutely aware of the barrels, bead, object and a plethora of other feedback from your eyes. This inner brain can also calculate forward allowance and muscular movements on a real-time basis. This visual feedback to the subconscious also controls your body and your hands. This subconscious brain is so complex and efficient that it can do amazing things if you simply let it function the way it was designed.

You simply HAVE to learn to trust your eyes and hands. Let me say that again, Learn to trust your eyes and your hands. You shoot with your eyes and hands, not a gun. The gun is simply a means to deliver a shot pattern to a space in front of a moving object.

When some say they don’t see the bead, what they actually mean is that they don’t consciously see the bead. This is good.

There are times when seeing the bead, albeit briefly, can help. Distant, fast crossers (45-65 yards) require forward insertions (Gobs of built in lead) before you add more pull away lead. Seeing, or indexing your insertions is accomplished by a brief view of the bead before the visual shift goes back to and stays on the target. Some trap style shots are also more easily accomplished with bead awareness.

Put whatever bead you want on your gun. The important thing is that the bead style doesn’t distract you from the object or make you ware of the bead consciously during the shot. Some of the HiViz beads are very distracting to some people.

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Let me try to explain beads to you in a different way.

I’m often asked, “What should I be seeing when the gun is up and the object is in the air?”

My reply is always “You must be focused on the object and more importantly, trying to see some detail on the object.”

But, in reality, this is only half of the truth and only half of what is actually going on when you shoot at an object flying.

By consciously focusing on the object, you allow your subconscious brain to really take over and do some amazing things. And make no mistake; your subconscious brain is acutely aware of the barrels, bead, object and a plethora of other feedback from your eyes. This inner brain can also calculate forward allowance and muscular movements on a real-time basis. This visual feedback to the subconscious also controls your body and your hands. This subconscious brain is so complex and efficient that it can do amazing things if you simply let it function the way it was designed.

You simply HAVE to learn to trust your eyes and hands. Let me say that again, Learn to trust your eyes and your hands. You shoot with your eyes and hands, not a gun. The gun is simply a means to deliver a shot pattern to a space in front of a moving object.

When some say they don’t see the bead, what they actually mean is that they don’t consciously see the bead. This is good.

There are times when seeing the bead, albeit briefly, can help. Distant, fast crossers (45-65 yards) require forward insertions (Gobs of built in lead) before you add more pull away lead. Seeing, or indexing your insertions is accomplished by a brief view of the bead before the visual shift goes back to and stays on the target. Some trap style shots are also more easily accomplished with bead awareness.

Put whatever bead you want on your gun. The important thing is that the bead style doesn’t distract you from the object or make you ware of the bead consciously during the shot. Some of the HiViz beads are very distracting to some people.

Good luck and have fun.

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Let me try to explain beads to you in a different way.

I’m often asked, “What should I be seeing when the gun is up and the object is in the air?”

My reply is always “You must be focused on the object and more importantly, trying to see some detail on the object.”

But, in reality, this is only half of the truth and only half of what is actually going on when you shoot at an object flying.

By consciously focusing on the object, you allow your subconscious brain to really take over and do some amazing things. And make no mistake; your subconscious brain is acutely aware of the barrels, bead, object and a plethora of other feedback from your eyes. This inner brain can also calculate forward allowance and muscular movements on a real-time basis. This visual feedback to the subconscious also controls your body and your hands. This subconscious brain is so complex and efficient that it can do amazing things if you simply let it function the way it was designed.

You simply HAVE to learn to trust your eyes and hands. Let me say that again, Learn to trust your eyes and your hands. You shoot with your eyes and hands, not a gun. The gun is simply a means to deliver a shot pattern to a space in front of a moving object.

When some say they don’t see the bead, what they actually mean is that they don’t consciously see the bead. This is good.

There are times when seeing the bead, albeit briefly, can help. Distant, fast crossers (45-65 yards) require forward insertions (Gobs of built in lead) before you add more pull away lead. Seeing, or indexing your insertions is accomplished by a brief view of the bead before the visual shift goes back to and stays on the target. Some trap style shots are also more easily accomplished with bead awareness.

Put whatever bead you want on your gun. The important thing is that the bead style doesn’t distract you from the object or make you ware of the bead consciously during the shot. Some of the HiViz beads are very distracting to some people.

Good luck and have fun.

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I always wondered why there was a bead on the barrel when shooting at the target I never see the bead :D

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I got a couple of those fiber optic sights, I dont aim, but the brightness of the optic kind of helps me keep "wood on wood".
The kit comes with white, orange, and lime, in large and small dia's.
I pretty much stick with the orange.


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I use a green fiber sight (the thin one) I am a one eyed shooter ,not that it is right but I just was never taught the right way ,my grandfather I guess never new this . But a couple years ago I tried hard on clay games and just never could do any good  with any of the far shots with 2 eyes opened. But the closer shots I seem to have no problem.
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Also just thinking if you shoot trap with 2 eyes and your gun shoots high how do you keep the bead under the bird if you dont see the bead. I know they do it but it just seems hard to me.
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The shooter does not keep the bead under the target... they keep the gun under the target.  Its a slightly different animal with trap and now is showing up in skeet and sporting.  The shooter sees "space" between the target and the gun but is still not looking at the gun.  Try to get the "aiming reference" thing out of you assumptions.  If PC or I could stand over your shoulder for about 10 shots you would understand that you, as he said, are concentrating on the target not the barrel/sight/muzzle.... JUST THE TARGET...

As a shooter you should be working from the sub conscious.  Here is why...  Lets compare the conscious and the sub conscious as computer power...  The sub conscious in mass size of computer power would fill the old World Trade center, The Empire state building, the UN Complesx and 20 or so vertical blocks of downtown NYC.  The conscious by comparison would not fill a sewing thimble....  Which one do you want to rely on ?


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Churchill rib with silver bead.





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What PC said and whatever bead is on the shotgun I'm shooting at the time.

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On my camo pump duck gun: a piece of orange weed whip cord.

When I noticed the original had unscrewed and was lost...  I melted the end of the cord, stuffed it in the hole and clipped it off with sidecutters :D  Stayed in for 2 years so far...  :p


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Well, as stated, there is no "need" for a bead, but if I were going to put a new bead on a barrel just to "dress up" the gun a bit, I would use a Bradley type Red or White bead.

http://www.csmcspecials.com/Bradley_Shotgun_Sights_Red_p/ph141.htm

http://www.csmcspecials.com/Beads_Sights_s/1.htm


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It's amazing to me that all around the world shotgun manufacturers are putting ribs and beads of various types on their guns.  These guns are obviously designed to shoot flying targets, clay or feathered.  How after all these years have these gun makers not figured out that the beads serve no useful purpose on these guns?
Reading this thread one would think the bead should be an after market option...no?


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