Letters
Features
Departments
Photo Gallery
Upland Talk
Upland Links
Upland Gear
Upland Library
Upland Outfitters
Swap & Trade
Submissions
Contact Us
Ad Rates & Specs
Subcription / Donations
Uplanders
Dogs and Doubles
Pointing Dog Journal
A-10 American
Gun Dog Development
Almost Heaven GSP's
Knotsmith
Uplanders
Knob Mountain Kennel
Sporting Shot
Sporting Shot
Bird Dogs Afield
Northwinds Enterprises
"Featured in Upland Outfitters"
GunDogBreeders.com
"Featured in Upland Outfitters"
WingWorks
Uplanders Warehouse
"Featured in Upland Outfitters"
Private Preserve
Thunderhead
Outdoorsman's Edge
"Featured in Upland Outfitters"
Weatherby's -- Experience the Tradition
"Featured in Upland Outfitters"
Honey Run Shorthairs
"Featured in Upland Outfitters"
Upland Journal
Upland Gear
 Upland Library Bookstore
Ad Rates & Specs
Find Upland Journal on Facebook
Click to Make a Subscription/Donation
Bulletin Board Guidelines

Search Members Help

» Welcome Guest
[ Log In :: Register ]

 

[ Track This Topic :: Email This Topic :: Print this topic ]

 reply to topic new topic new poll
Topic: Winchester Model 12 in 28 ga., value/< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
 Post Number: 1
plainsman Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: Northeast Nebraska
Posts: 1027
Joined: Oct. 2003
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,8:14  Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
Supposedly 1939, although I haven't handled it yet.Field grade, used, but no rust,...maybe 80% to 85%. I know they dont show up too often, and just wondering what folks think this gun might be worth?
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 2
Brad Adrian Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 2941
Joined: Oct. 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,8:20 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
It has been a few years since I was selling guns for a living, but 4 years ago that would have probably sold for 12-1500 bucks. I think the Winchester craze has died down some, along with most other used guns, so less than that now.

--------------
Dog hair is a condiment- Melvin
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 3
erik meade Search for posts by this member.

Avatar



Group: MEMBER
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 10683
Joined: May 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,1:11 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
Brad,  I am surprised you were selling them that low.  Seems the 28ga Model 12's around here go for a lot more than that.  I wish I knew you were able to find them that cheap a few years ago.  We could have teamed up and made a decent chunk of change buying them at that price and them selling them here in Southern Illinois.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 4
walt lister Search for posts by this member.

Avatar



Group: 2013 CONTRIBUTING MEMBER
Location: Wickenburg AZ 85390
Posts: 1341
Joined: Jun. 2009
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,1:18 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
IF it's original, and that is a big if, and in %85 condition my two year old Blue book says $3400/$3800. In todays soft economy it depends on how bad the seller wants to sell but I would doubt if it would go under $2000.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 5
Backlash Search for posts by this member.

Avatar



Group: MEMBER
Location: Out in the deep wandering around
Posts: 3114
Joined: Dec. 2004
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,1:53 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
The 2 I have seen in shops were both north of $2000.  I don't know how original they were and one looked very well used.

--------------
Jesus saved souls with the truth and caught fish with a gillnet.  He was also emoticon free.

"So I threw lead and cussed, and clawed my way up another mountain"
         -Cooter Brown
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 6
Point5 Search for posts by this member.





Group: 2013 CONTRIBUTING MEMBER
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 801
Joined: Oct. 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,2:32 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
I agee on the higher estimates with decent blue and no pitting, rust.  Even a converted 20 ga. didn't seem to matter.

--------------
Cue the deer.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 7
telamb Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: MN
Posts: 789
Joined: Feb. 2006
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,3:21 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
Find one for 2 grand and I will take it.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 8
Brad Adrian Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 2941
Joined: Oct. 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 08 2012,9:43 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
I was thinking models 42's, not a model 12 28. Ridiculous what people will pay for a production pump gun.

--------------
Dog hair is a condiment- Melvin
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 9
rosies dad Search for posts by this member.

Avatar



Group: MEMBER
Location: Rural North-west lower Michigan
Posts: 7268
Joined: Mar. 2003
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 09 2012,12:25 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
No idea of the real value of a ORIGINAL Mod 12 in 28ga.
I have heard they are really rare, only talked to ONE person in 62 yrs who claimed to have one. He wasnt showing it though, so I dont know if it existed or not.

--------------
There are two seasons, BIRD SEASON and getting ready for BIRD SEASON.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 10
Rusty Trigger Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 169
Joined: Feb. 2005
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 09 2012,5:29 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
Selling or Buying?
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 11
RUFUS80 Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: The Hoosier State
Posts: 513
Joined: Jan. 2007
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 09 2012,6:09 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE

(walt lister @ Feb. 08 2012,1:18)
QUOTE
IF it's original, and that is a big if, and in %85 condition my two year old Blue book says $3400/$3800. In todays soft economy it depends on how bad the seller wants to sell but I would doubt if it would go under $2000.

I have seen some ads in popular shotgun magazines that advertise win model 12's in 28 gauge that they are asking $4-6000. Even though it is a soft economy there are people with money willing to spend it.

--------------
"The gun is the essential link between the man and the kind of sport he pursues. It is not enough that it should be well adapted to one of the other. For the best success,  it must be fully adapted to both"  - Gough Thomas
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 12
Greg Hartman Search for posts by this member.

Avatar



Group: 2013 CONTRIBUTING MEMBER
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 10440
Joined: Mar. 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 09 2012,6:21 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE
I don't understand the desirability of those guns.  An M12 20 gauge has the same size action, etc, and throws a bigger load.  The M12 16 gauge is even better - same size receiver, lighter and much more powerful.  But then, I don't understand the whole collector mentality.

--------------



It's not just a passtime - it's a way of life!
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 13
Samuel Hoggson Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: Dover-Foxcroft, ME
Posts: 1290
Joined: May 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 10 2012,6:30 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE

(Greg Hartman @ Feb. 09 2012,6:21)
QUOTE
But then, I don't understand the whole collector mentality.

Worse, most original 28 ga M-12s are balky cyclers.  They tend not to feed shells from the mag very well.  Unless the shell nose has a good radius it's apt to butt up against the bottom of the chamber.  Oddly, the non-original Simmons conversions are much more reliable.

Original 28 ga guns, skeets or fields, are now so valuable that you must be able to identify a 28 ga receiver.  No, it's not just the "28" stamped on the back.  

28 ga M-12s are stout though.  Repros are affordable.  

Sam

--------------
Just another bitter American worker clinging to his guns out of frustration.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 14
Backlash Search for posts by this member.

Avatar



Group: MEMBER
Location: Out in the deep wandering around
Posts: 3114
Joined: Dec. 2004
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 10 2012,12:19 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE

(Samuel Hoggson @ Feb. 10 2012,6:30)
QUOTE
Original 28 ga guns, skeets or fields, are now so valuable that you must be able to identify a 28 ga receiver.  No, it's not just the "28" stamped on the back.  

28 ga M-12s are stout though.  Repros are affordable.  

Sam

What are some of the things to look for to accurately identify a 28 receiver?

--------------
Jesus saved souls with the truth and caught fish with a gillnet.  He was also emoticon free.

"So I threw lead and cussed, and clawed my way up another mountain"
         -Cooter Brown
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
 Post Number: 15
Samuel Hoggson Search for posts by this member.





Group: MEMBER
Location: Dover-Foxcroft, ME
Posts: 1290
Joined: May 2002
PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 10 2012,2:26 Skip to the previous post in this topic.    QUOTE

(Backlash @ Feb. 10 2012,12:19)
QUOTE
What are some of the things to look for to accurately identify a 28 receiver?

The single most important thing to identify is the cartridge cutoff raceway.  On 16s and 20s the lower edge runs about dead parallel to the bottom of the frame.  On 28s it is machined to run at an angle.  Here is a thread with a couple of pics from Pumpgun's cell camera that show the angled raceway quite nicely compared to a 16 ga gun.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs....1916241  

Notice also the more prominent shell plate stop on the 28 ga gun.

Next, IMO, is the "28" stamped on the back of the receiver.  Problem here is this is alot easier to fake.  

A bunch of other stuff, like proper barrel stampings etc. - basic info you can get from Madis and Riffle and Stadt.

Sam

--------------
Just another bitter American worker clinging to his guns out of frustration.
Offline
Top of Page Profile Contact Info Send Private Message  
14 replies since Feb. 08 2012,8:14 < Next Oldest | Next Newest >

[ Track This Topic :: Email This Topic :: Print this topic ]


  		reply to topic new topic new poll


Letters | Features | Departments | Photo Gallery | Upland Talk | Upland Links | Upland Gear
Upland Library | Upland Outfitters | Swap & Trade | Submissions | Contact Us | Home

©2004/05 Upland Journal
Site Designed in Patnership with Insyt New Media