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The serial numbers all match (frame, barrels and forend iron).  

uhhhhhh this....

Missed that.  Buy away, its a shooter for sure and a Fox shooter in 20 gauge for that price is pretty amazing.  The barrels if sound even if lopped a bit are by themselves worth every bit of that.  I paid $550 for a decent set of 12 gauge barrels (they were ejector A grade barrels) last year and thought I stole them and immediately went into my happy dance mode.  Which is actually pretty scary to witness in person.
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If you dont want it call me before Tim...  I am a much nicer guy....  LOL....

:oh: ............. :down:  :down: ........... :D

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OK buy it double the price then sell it to Tim :D

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The serial numbers all match (frame, barrels and forend iron).  

uhhhhhh this....

Missed that.  Buy away, its a shooter for sure and a Fox shooter in 20 gauge for that price is pretty amazing.  The barrels if sound even if lopped a bit are by themselves worth every bit of that.  I paid $550 for a decent set of 12 gauge barrels (they were ejector A grade barrels) last year and thought I stole them and immediately went into my happy dance mode.  Which is actually pretty scary to witness in person.

yur gonna love this.... a buddy found a early A extractor 12, with 30" #1-2's(heavy) .... grabbed it for me.... stock's junk but the barrels ring for days...450.00

One of the projects I've got going is my Grand dad's late A grade 12 ga extractor with 28's(think they are 3's) .... I'd rarely carry that in the woods for grouse, figured  it'd make a nice ditchchicken gun, have a pretty good idea I'd use it for clays with 30's...... now I've got them.......  it'll get a stock the set of 30's for clays, and the 28's will go on when gushy invites me west to hunt the pretender to the upland crown....


now I just need to sell off the receiver


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Why would anyone spend $550 on a Fox 20ga with all the other choices in that price range?  ???

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http://www.foxcollectors.com/ah_fox/content/

This site might have some helpful info.

If that stock fails on you I doubt you will be able to have it fixed for less than $400. I had a full wrist break on a Sterlingworth 12 & seeing how hollowed out the stock is at the wrist I didn't consider trying to fix it myself.

Looking back I find I have far more regrets about things I did not do then things I did do.
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It's easily worth $550.00. I'd love to know if the serial numbers on the barrel and frame are the same.

I'm no Fox expert by far, but I wonder were ALL Savage era Sterlingworth's stamped Fox Sterlingworth on the action or were some just stamped Sterlingworth.

Anyone know for sure??

Bryan

That's a fair question and one I've never heard discussed.

Clearly, if it says "Fox Sterlingworth" it's a Uitica (Savage era). That was a change that did not occur until after the sale.

Savage also pretty quickly changed the shape of the toplever, but not before they used some Philadelphia style levers on guns marked "Fox Sterlingworth."

Stands to reason there would have been some  Philadelphia "Sterlingworth" frames used to assemble guns in Utica.

Dave Noreen likely knows if such exist. You could ask on the Fox site.


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The serial numbers all match (frame, barrels and forend iron).  

uhhhhhh this....

I guess that makes it a Savage/Utica era gun.

Does it have a grip cap? I think elimination of the grip cap was a Savage era cost cutter.


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I believe the SW 20 that I sold to one of the board members here was marked Sterlingworth and had the Philly toplever and forend with Savage marked barrels.  It was a 1933 gun.  Maybe he'll chime in.

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There were a lot of transition guns out there after Fox sold out to Savage and moved the operations to Uttica.  I've had SW labeled Fox Sterlingworth, with Savage marked barrels, with the philly style splinter forearm and the capped pistol grip and the nicer lever.  I think for a while they were just grabbing parts out of the bin and putting guns together with whatever.  

The worse ones IMO are the very late Fox Sterlingworths with the flat frames, blocky style forearm and non-capped pistol grip with a through bolt.  Fairly hard to come by but goodness are they ugly.

Didn't help when early Fox guns were sent back to Savage for work and they routinely extended the chambers out to 2 3/4" and marked "Chambered for 2 3/4" clearly on the barrels thereby making the barrels look like crap IMO.
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I had a rare through bolt SW that while rare was just plain ugly and handled like crap.  As much or more than any gun, a Sterlingworth is not a Sterlingworth is not a Sterlingworth.  From pin guns to the end the variation is extreme.

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I had a rare through bolt SW that while rare was just plain ugly and handled like crap.  As much or more than any gun, a Sterlingworth is not a Sterlingworth is not a Sterlingworth.  From pin guns to the end the variation is extreme.

Thats a pretty accurate statement.

I have a minty, sans box, Utica 16 ga made from Philly parts that is flat new and just a perfect example of a Fox in it's heyday.

I think I'm gonna drag it out and let Wade (Bonasa) slay a few birds with it next week.

Buy that gun.


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I had a rare through bolt SW that while rare was just plain ugly and handled like crap.  As much or more than any gun, a Sterlingworth is not a Sterlingworth is not a Sterlingworth.  From pin guns to the end the variation is extreme.

Thats a pretty accurate statement.

I have a minty, sans box, Utica 16 ga made from Philly parts that is flat new and just a perfect example of a Fox in it's heyday.

I think I'm gonna drag it out and let Wade (Bonasa) slay a few birds with it next week.

Buy that gun.

Sounds sexy!  May need a pinch hitter if you wanna be sure to eat though... :D


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Don't be enticed with this stupid bidding war. Sell it to to me for $550. It will be a better story if the gun goes to someone who has been saving his spare change for years waiting on the right opportunity to own a Fox 20ga.

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I believe the SW 20 that I sold to one of the board members here was marked Sterlingworth and had the Philly toplever and forend with Savage marked barrels.  It was a 1933 gun.  Maybe he'll chime in.

Tim,

If you're referring to the delightful little gun I bought from you, sorry; it's Savage all the way: Stamped "Fox Sterlingworth", uglier Savage-style top lever, Savage-marked barrels, larger forend.  Despite that it's a hair under six pounds, shoots right where you point it, is finished out as well as any Philadelphia Sterlingworth, and is a joy.  Philly be damned, I say  :;): !



I do have a Sterlingworth 12ga which shows to be a 1936 gun, Savage marked and has an uncapped pistol grip, but with the Philly-style top lever.  Go figure.



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