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I picked up an Ithaca SKB 20ga mod. 100 SxS a couple weeks ago and I've just been itching to shoot. A buddy and I hit the sportsman's club yesterday to shoot a couple rounds.

First, I found that having a 20ga SxS on the trap range draws attention and a few sly grins. I didn't realize how many people are outfitted solely for trap shooting with specialized O/U's and ginormous vented ribs. Some of these guns were really impressive.

I didn't shoot well. Both rounds under 10 pigeons hit. In retrospect, I shot 50 rounds through the IC...next weekend I'll switch to the modified.

After the 2 rounds I took out my old wingmaster and hit 19. It's always fit very well and is a good 12 gauge, but I've had my heart set on moving back to a 20ga SxS.

Bottom line: I was disappointed in my shooting and my confidence took a hit. Should one expect to do as well on the trap line with a 20ga SxS than a 12ga with Imp. Mod?
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Twenty gauges are not Trap guns. Trap is a 12 gauge sport. Also IC is to open for trap unless it is the first shot on doubles. I shoot a lot of trap with a dedicated trap gun, browning citori xt. No, you don't need a fancy gun just one that fits you and has a choke of at least mod or tighter.  And a 12 gauge. For bird hunting practice with that 20 try skeet.

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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 06 2012,12:36 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE

Thanks Rufus. I'll get looking for a skeet range.
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Agree with Rufus here, to a degree.  I'd certainly expect trap score to drop some with a shift in gauge and choke but likely not anything like a 50% decline... if pointing precision was equal between the 2 guns.  So my guess would be that some of the difference relates to gun fit or other issues related to pattern placement. Take that FWIW of course...doubt I've killed a thousand clay birds in my life.  I'll be interested to see what some of the real clayshooters have to say on this.

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It's definitely a different feel for me. It fits/shoulders well, but it has 25" barrels and it's lighter than what I'm used to. I was totally overthinking and stopping on the target while I was shooting, too.  :down:
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I shoot 20 ga for trap, gun down.  Sometimes I'll use the sxs, other times the o/u.  I use choke tubes so I go with mod.  Once the people at the club get used to it, you wont get any extra stares.  I shoot for fun, and a little extra practice for real birds.  Best I ever shot was a 21, most times in the 17 target range.  It is what it is, I dont lose any sleep over it and I'm welcome on the line with any of the top shooters.

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When I was a kid I shot a lot of trap--had better than an 85% running average shooting a 20ga mossberg 500 with standard 20ga ammo and a modified choke.  That's not good enough to win any awards, but it's enough to frustrate some of those guys with fancy guns. The effective core of the IC pattern is smaller than the effective M or IM pattern.  That gun is choked a bit tight for skeet and a bit loose for Trap...it's a perfect 5-stand and sporting gun though.  You want to shoot trap with it, tell the guys with grins to piss up a rope--just use your tight barrel and get one of those neoprene comb-raising kits and put the thickest pad in it so it shoots really high like a trap gun.  You practice a little bit and you'll shoot well enough to hold your head high.

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Papa:

Don't beat yourself up over your shooting with a "new" gun.  I am going to take a position like Bosco and ANF.  Nothing wrong with shooting with a 20.  Gun fit and the structure of the gun are likely at fault at this point in time.  Not the shot charge.  7/8's oz is what the Olympic shooters shoot and they break more difficult targets then American trap.

As Bosco said, its a bit tight for skeet and a bit open for trap.  I have some of my crossover team shooters shooting IC and LM on the 16 yard line.  They break more targets then with those way tight trap chokes.

I assume you intend to hunt with this 20 so practice hunting shots.  If you go to a skeet field set the gun on mod for the first shot and IC for the second until ya get to sta. 8.  Then shoot the IC.  If you and a friend can get on a trap field by yourselves shoot from a slightly low gun position with the mod barrel.  You might be surprised what will happen once you and the gun find a groove.....


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It's definitely a different feel for me. It fits/shoulders well, but it has 25" barrels and it's lighter than what I'm used to. I was totally overthinking and stopping on the target while I was shooting, too.  :down:

That barrel length difference is going to throw you off at first. Big difference between 25" SxS and a wingmaster with I assume 28" barrel. I was not saying you can't hit targets with a 20 gauge in trap, just that is not the recommended gauge especially with IC choke.  I also believe on using a modified or tighter choke because it makes you a better pointer. You can get away with a loose choked gun but you won't build consistency in your shooting. And I don't believe IC is that overchoked for skeet. The old skeet 2 choke is tighter.  Most of this is mute because I assume your not going to enter ATA competition , your just shooting to improve your skills for hunting.  Please correct if am wrong about the last statement.

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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 06 2012,2:15 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic.   QUOTE

That's absolutely correct - just working on shooting the gun in prep for bird season.

Thanks for the info and advice guys, I appreciate it.
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I agree with ANF, Bosco and Huntschool.  While a 20 gauge SxS with IC choke isn't going to be able to head-to-head with a 12 gauge full-race trap gun, both in the hands of expert shooters in serious competition, shooting a horrendous 10x25 at 16 yard trap isn't caused by the gauge, choke or load.  You simply aren't putting the pattern on the birds.

That could be a lot of things - aiming error due to inexperience with SxS's; a POI that is way off due to a poorly fitting stock; poor MOI due to the short bbls; or something else - I really cannot say from a distance.  Cure that problem (whatever it is) and you should be able to break 20-23x25 on a regular basis.  27 yard handicap trap is another ballgame, but I assume you are not talking about that.


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What you want to do, is wait till the Trap shooters are on a coffee break, and ask to shoot from about 5 yds behind the traphouse all by yourself. (for safety reasons) (move left or right a few steps every 5 shots)
The distance will be about right to the target for you chokes and amount of shot. Shoot low gun, and if they let you, use two shots. So its like hunting.
After they trust your gun handling, you may be able to walk back and forth behind the traphouse (sideways) and let the trapper pull, like a surprise flush.

Trapshooters are pretty set in their ways, they dont usually want to do anything different than the usual PULL-Bang.


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What Rosies Dad said is exactly what I was going to say but figured there would be less of a "trap shooter fight" if ya just stayed with the 16.

Rosie..  Oh, yea, LMAO...   PULL... BANG  (but there is more... *&+$ if its a miss)  Then we go into the bad load, cheek piece moved, rib is off, bird was not to spec.... etc, etc, etc...


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Just make sure the stock on your SKB is tight, and stays that way.  These guns have a reputation for spliting buttstocks, and shooting a few rounds of trap in an afternoon may result in the stock coming loose and being damaged before you know it.

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You've gotten some great advice.

My suggestion is to try a round of sporting clays with that SKB. The gun will really be in it's element and you'll have a lot of fun.


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